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How to Use Science to Grow Better than Organic Food


Alright! This is John Kohler with growingyourgreens.com;
today we have another exciting episode for you. I am on the beautiful island of, the
big island here on Hawaii. I am on a beautiful farm here, with all kinds of naturally delicious
fruits and vegetables, growing all over the place. And the reason for this episode is
I got a very special guest, this is Dr. Jana Bogs and she wrote this book actually ‘beyond
organic growing for maximum nutrition and flavor’ And actually it’s a funny story
actually, is I was actually in a local food health store buying some health foods and
natural produce and stuff before I could get out to my friends farm and get the best stuff
but I saw this book and like it peeked my interest and it interested me because, you
know, what I try to teach to you guys is beyond organic. They don’t have that organic certification,
I know many of you guys might be going down to a health food store like I was and buying
organic produce and think you’re getting the best, I am getting the best, I am getting
the organic stuff, I am paying the most money, so it’s gotta be the best and you know,
I try to teach you guys that even organic stuff is probably not the best because you
could definitely grow it better at home but more importantly if you grow it at home, you
gotta do certain practices to ensure that you grow the highest quality stuff and that’s
why I really liked that Dr. Jana Bogs here because she started out as a nutritionist
not as a, you know person with a PhD in soil, in growing plants and all this kind of stuff
but she really learned as a nutritionist how important the quality of the food we eat,
not only the foods that we are eating, we are eating nutrient dense foods, foods that
have a lot of nutrition and phytochemicals and phytonutrients and are gonna prevent and
ward off disease, you know, but also low calories, but even without that you can be quite efficient
by eating standard conventional food from the store so I called her up, I got her in
an interview for you guys cuz this is super important, you are gonna probably wanna definitely
buy her book because we are not going to be able to cover her whole book which is like
over a 100 pages, really nice and easy large print, nice diagrams, you guys could follow
it along, so you guys could really hole in and dial in and grow the highest quality food
for you and your family because simply, you know, the industry is not doing that for you.
So Dr. Bogs, can you tell me more about, you know, you as a nutritionist and before actually
you got into growing food and how important it is to have to eat good food, and what is
that, the highest quality food that we should be eating is for people?
Dr. Bogs: Yeah so I started off like many of us do eating the standard American diet
which has a lot of sugar and junk and had dental cavities and had mercury fillings , had
some health problems when I was a child and saw my grandparents and all these problems
within family, So i started getting interested in nutrition and started going to that for
my undergraduate prog and so also did holistic type schooling too and wanted to really understand
what is the best nutrition for us and so I have continued on this whole track for many
years and then i came to realize that the foods that we have, even if they are grown
organically are not what they could or should be, or even what they once were, and so we
need to go back to the soil and grow it up the right way, So I have taken a scientific
approach doing extensive testing of the soil, extensive testing of the plant leaf tissue
in the final product of the food that we eat, and that’s really what sets me apart from
most gardeners is that I am really taking a scientific approach to getting this food
to be the quality that it can be, that’s going to nourish us most people
John: Awesome, Yeah, I mean I definitely agree with what she is doing now, she’s got the
PhD, I don’t, I just got some experience, thrown some stuff out at my garden, grown
stuff and have an amazing result, having amazing quality food i am eating and visiting somebody
from places that are doing a similar gardening style or practice, which I like to call organic
biologic gardening and I might have to change that soon because organic really doesn’t mean
much anymore, but I like to, as you guys know that watch me, I like to put in things like
rock dust, and kelp meal and the zeolites and all different kinds of very trace minerals,
some kind of ocean solutions, which are all definitely really good and I kind of use it
like a shot gun, so like if there is a burglar in my house, I might gonna have a 357 Magnum,
I gotta like the precise and hit the guy right in the eyes, between eyes, take him down or
something right, I just got the shot and if I just put in this general directions, somebody’s
break into my house BOOM, I got him so that’s kind of like how I deal with the gardening,
now I would definitely pick, for me to even dilate it further, right, I should get into
what dr. bogs is doing and get my stuff tested to see where I am deficient if I am deficient
and supplements, you know additional things, if possible, now with current most standard
agriculture testing, you can’t test for like all 90 , 70 to 90 minerals, but you can test
for like 80 minerals in the soil and ten minerals in the tissue culture if you are harvesting
some dinosaur Choy you could see what’s in there, so Dr. Bogs, can you tell us how important
it is to test the soil first and then we’ll get into why it’s important to test the leaves
as well. Dr. Jon: Yeah, So, with the soil, we can put
the different nutrients into the soil that they need and there is a balance, it really
is important to get that balance because the plant is going to uptake different amounts
of nutrients depending upon what that balance is in the soil, and for maximum health for
the plant and for you, you want to have that soil balanced really well, especially with
kind of like the bigger max nutrients like calcium and magnesium, sodium, potassium,
zinc, copper, things that we need for us, to be really healthy, and even somethings
like silicon that we don’t really think about that much, so, you know testing for molybdenum
and cobalt and some of these trace elements, they are very important for the health of
the soil, I also like to test the soil for the biology in the soil, the fungi, the beneficial
fungi, the beneficial bacteria, it’s very important to have a good variety of these
beneficial microorganisms that are gonna help those plants uptake the nutrients and then
as far as doing the plant leaf tissue, that’s also important and with the soil that’s more
of a long term kind of a process of getting the soil just right. With the leaf tissue,
you can put on a foliar nutritional spray, and you can make a change right away and improve
the quality, flavor, everything, so it’s a dual approach, you know to getting the best
quality possible. Well, I do like to test the soil, I do it every six months and then
your lymph tissue whenever you can, as you know start your garden, you can test your
soil first, get that amended, then start your plants, when they come up, you can test the
leaf tissue and you know, every six months test your soil and tweak it a little bit and
make it better better each time cuz a lot of time you can’t put everything in the soil
all at once that you want to cuz that soil is sort of like the digestive system, and
it has to take time to assimilate those nutrients, and you have to add more as time goes on.
John: Right yeah, i mean one of the things that my belief is that, you know, it’s all
the bacteria, the microbes, and so you should check for all this kind of stuff, in addition
to the different minerals and nutrients, because you kind of need both, if you have a lot of
minerals and nutrients that’s great, but if you are missing the microbe component, you
know, they are the ones that really break down the nutrients to make it available for
the plant and you know, once again, in my style, I try not to put like, any kind of
like manure products that can imbalance your soils and other kind of like, you know, nutrients
or so additives that will imbalance your soil, add too much of these macro-mineral, she’s
talking about, i really try to focus on the trace minerals, you know and so I don’t really
imbalance things too bad because frankly, i just deal gardeners into wish, i got a little
bit of this, little bit of that so i really think that by hopefully you know, getting
to test one of these days, I’ll really be able to more dial in and even grow by food
to a higher quality. So Dr. Bogs, I wanna talk about, you know, like the nutrients in
the food today, like you buy at the grocery store versus maybe the foods at a 100 year
ago, i know there is a part in your book, i don’t know where it is but it says, they
found a, 100 year old can of peaches or something, and they had this 100 year old can of peaches
and they open up this 100 year old can of peaches and they tested the nutrients in there
and they tested a brand new can of peaches, you know, and there is like a lot more nutrients
in a 100 year old peaches that have been sitting around for a hundred years, then something
grown recently, so, can you let my viewers know about this and?
Dr. Bog: Sure Yes, there had been a number of scientific studies that have looked at
the databases like the USDA, united states department of agriculture, has kept databases
on food nutrient density since like the 1930’s and 40’s, and they keep checking like every
year and getting these databases up to date, so what some of these scientists have done,
is compare the data from way back like in the 1940’s up until recent days, and looked
at the differences and there is a huge drop, sometimes as much as 70% drop in nutrient
density, for various nutrients, so huge. John: Yeah I mean, even things like protein
could be 50% higher and something grown in really nutrient dense soil and some of the
different trace minerals could be up to 50% or even more, you know, higher, just in your
own garden. Now I know many people out there might be believing, you know, hey, I use my
own compost and make my compost off my tree clippings and off food scraps, you know, everything
I need is in the compost, and the woodchips that I am bringing into my soil now, you know,
what are your general comments about, you know, people that are just trying to put compost
and believe everything is alright? Dr. Bog: Well the problem is, a lot of the
things that you are making that compost from are already nutrient deficient so if you are
taking nutrient deficient stuff and trying to put it in, you still have nutrient deficiencies
and you don’t really know, what you have got until you test it, so, you know, don’t
guess, test! John: That will be, that would be what she’ll
do in a scientific approach, I’ll be like a ha-ha, don’t just do it, don’t test,
I would just buy a couple of bags of rock dust and some other nutrients that i like
to put in and put it in there, in most cases but not all, it will probably help in many
cases as I have learned and as many of you guys have learned, cuz i know, a lot of you
guys are following me, haven’t tested your soil but I wanna encourage you guys if you
want to take your gardening to the next level, and hopefully one of these days, I will and
even make a video about it, you know, you wanna contact dr. bogs and work with her to
do soil testing, she does soil testing for you know, home gardeners, big commercial operations
and you know any kind of food or any kind of plant that’s growing, she will help you
grow it better. And I think that’s really cool. So dr. Bogs, another things I wanna
talk about is what are like 3 top nutrients that you have seen across the board that’s
usually deficient in soil that people not necessarily shoot at because that might imbalance
them depending on where they live but might wanna think about?
Dr. Bog: Well, a lot of time, the calcium is out of balance and the calcium to magnesium
ratio is the most important ratio for farmers, actually that is the determining ratio as
to how well they are going to actually manage to make money. It’s interesting, so often
calcium’s low, and just think about it, in our diet, in our nutrition, we need a lot
of calcium for strong bones and strong teeth and such like that and we are just not getting
that, so it’s important for a strong plant. One of the things, that I think people don’t
think about very much is silicon, and I test for silicon, and I think it’s extremely
important and most soil analysts just do not ever even think about and so that’s one
of the main things, you know, that i would like to get addressed more appropriately.
And other than that, it sort of varies on your area, it varies so much from place to
place, and even here on the big island of Hawaii, a mile difference, it can be hugely
different, it’s just so, you know, it’s hard to say, we tend to need a lot phosphorus
here, so that’s one of the big things, and I do use soft raw phosphate and recommend
that which is an organic approved minimum. John: Right, yeah, I mean definitely agree
me, our backbone is made out of calcium, the plants backbone is made out of silica and
its super important to get that in your garden, you know, the rock dust that I like to use
has a lot in there but then also, it needs to get, basically mobilized by the different
microbes in your soil , so actually, let’s talk about that besides just the minerals,
let’s talk about the microbes that you might recommend and how do you recommend putting
them in to the soil in a more scientific approach than maybe like a shotgun approach using compost
tea or some IMO’s that you don’t know what kind of organism you’re getting when you
are brewing it, you know, I don’t know, what are your thoughts?
Dr. Bog: So I have a microscope and I do check the soil microscopically to see what is there
and what’s not there, so what we need to do and often what i see is that there is not
enough beneficial fungi, and then you know, you want more of a diversity of your bacteria
too. Those are the typical things I see, so if you are gonna guess on that, at least guess
toward more fungi and using a woody compost is going to be the way and then you could
get innoculence to put in there, mycorizal fungi, put that in, and that will help you
probably the best. The best thing to do is to test it first.
John: Yeah, I mean I have to agree with that, best thing to do is get it tested, you know
I am pretty cheap, don’t like spending money on test myself and that’s why you know I
have had episodes where I go to my friend’s house and I see the results of them composting
wood chips down and growing in them and having a fungal-dominated, may be not dominated but
fungal-rich growing conditions because the bacteria are already there but the fungi is
missing and having super giant huge calories and this is why I recommend you guys out there,
you know we really need fungal dominated compost and it’s really hard to find fungal dominated
compost, you know that just cold process, you know, made with pile of wood chips that
are breaking down slowly over time without any heat, i mean on this farm here, we had
a nice huge pile that has just been sitting there for years and you know the bottom of
the layer, nice and black stuff, and even if you wanna mulch your pathways, and leave
them out, it’s getting some rain like we are here, you know. That compost would develop
naturally just under the layers, like you saw in a couple of episodes ago, one of the
farms that we did on Oahu, I mean this is super critical and once again, this is the
kind of my shot gun approach if you don’t wanna do the more maybe beneficial scientific
approach to really dial it in which you know, granted i will admit is probably better than
the shotgun approach that I do, cuz i am sure I probably got some nutrient deficiencies
and stuff and I am probably barely good until i see this stuff and i am like Oh my god,
I could have fixed this ten years ago cuz i didn’t get it tested. You know, if you
are serious, definitely, you wanna get it tested, so Dr. Bogs, how does the soil test
work? like you just send in the soil and then they send it to you and you get it analyzed
and then you would basically, ‘hey put this in, put this in and how , you know, what you
do, be different than a soil laboratory, somebody is getting the results from them and just
kind of trying to interpret themselves? Dr. Bog: So what I do is yeah, get the raw
numbers from the lab, so the laboratory equipment to do this is extremely expensive, i don’t
do that part. I send it to a very competent lab that can do these broader spectrum mineral
test and then they send me the raw numbers, which I interpret for nutrient density and
so it’s not only the way you get it tested, there is many different type of test, there
is many different labs and then you have to go, you know, with the lab, that can do all
these things and then get those raw numbers and then interpret those raw numbers for nutrient
density, so there is different ways to interpret things too, and I look at it from a nutritionist
stand point, wanting to get most nutrition for us not just like fast growth and big yield
but good nutrition and so that’s how I approach it and then you know, we’ll send the analysis
back to the person and it’s got on there exactly what was tested, how much, which items you
need and how to add them, tips on, you know, doing the whole gardening situation, so I
really try to have a comprehensive program that someone can actually accomplish.
John: Hmm, you know, let’s talk about that too, you know, I know you recommend, you know
organic approved inputs, you know to bring your soil back in a balance, you are not gonna
probably recommend, you know, chemically made, you know, synthetic fertilizers, you know,
why don’t we talk about this and why that’s also important for, you know, growing the
most nutrient dense food but also for people out there and the planet.
Dr. Bogs: Oh, absolutely, we don’t wanna be using things that are gonna harm the soil,
we wanna use things that are going to be helpful to the soil, we have gotta feed those microbes,
in the soil, they uptake those nutrients and then once they turn over in the soil, like
they die and then the plants can uptake those nutrients, so they make the nutrients in an
plant available form, and so we don’t want to put harsh chemical fertilizers in, that
are gonna kill the microbes for all, we wanna take care of them, they take care of the plants,
the plants take care of us. So, yeah. John: So let’s talk more about the, like,
organic matter and its very important to the soil you know, what are your thoughts on adding
compost to the soil and when we are really adding compost, add enough nutrition to your
soil, I mean, I know I am kinda asking the same question again because I talked about
this a little bit earlier, but there is so many people do organic gardening or you know,
adding compost, and I add Manure and I am done,
Dr. Bogs: You know, the things is, you know, the compost is good. And I do recommend it,
it does need to be the right type of compost, just like we were talking earlier, about bacteria
versus fungi, and that’s very important in your compost but also the quality of what
materials went in there, and what is the nutrient balance of that compost, just adding compost,
compost, and more compost, you can end up with too much potassium and not enough nitrogen,
there is all sorts of things that can happen. So, where as we do need organic matter in
our soil, of course we do, but the thing is that it needs to be in the right balance with
everything else. John: And the way to know is to get it tested.
Ha-ha. Dr. Bogs: That’s right, test.
John: Alright, so let’s talk about like, the maximum flavor and maximum nutrition cuz
that’s actually something that is very important to me and i know, some people out there are
jaded, you guys have had that tomato out of your garden, that taste amazing versus the
tomato from the store, that just taste like garbage, but what if you could take the tomato
that you already grow in your garden, it could taste ten times better. So can’t somebody
make food that they are going in their garden and even make it taste better by incorporating
some of the you know, practices that you advocate and teach?
Dr. Bogs: Absolutely, because when you have a balanced soil, when you balancing that soil
perfectly for the plant, then it can express its full genetic capacity, you know, if it
doesn’t have nutrients it needs, then it cannot express its full capacity, its full
potential and that’s what we want. So and the flavor compounds are part of that potential.
John: And let’s talk about besides the flavored compound, do also the yields increase, and
do also like are your plants more resilient like if we eat a healthy diet, we will be
more resilient to getting sick, getting the cold or the flu? And will the plants be more
resistant to bugs and diseases? Now, let’s talk more about this, like how long it can
take to get your plants resistant. Cause that mean, in your organic gardens like “Oh I grow
organically some, I’m growing, I have good soil so my plants should be immune to stuff
but yet on some of our plant, I still get insects, you know?” Dr. Bogs: Yeah. So it is the very important
to have the soil balanced so that you don’t have these problems with pest and diseases.
I obviously, giving the plant what it needs it can be really strong. And insects go after
weak plants. They’re nature’s way of taking out what is not worthy of reproduction. So,
you know, it’s a beautiful system if you really understand how it works. And so, when you
give a plant what it wants, what it needs, then it can fully form it’s proteins, it can
fully form it’s carbohydrates, and that’s good food for you, but it’s not good food
for an insect because an insect cannot digests these large protein and carbohydrate molecule.
They need these fragmented broken molecules, and that’s what the sick plant has. So they
go after the sick plants. John: Wow! So that’s what like you know conventional
fertilizers they basically make these low quality proteins because you know store bought
green beans could have fifty percent less protein than a home grown one under you know
high brix or mineral you know, or rich soil, that are properly garden soil, so it’s not
desirable to the pests. And furthermore, then we also get more protein in our diet. That’s
huge. Dr. Bogs: One of the things on that is Boron.
Boron is a trace element that’s very important to get your fully formed proteins. And if
you don’t have that little trace element, then your plant can not fully form it’s protein,
it’s gonna have fragments, going to have a poor amino acid balance, which means poor
health for it and poor health for you. John: So Dr. Bogs, another thing that’s very
important to me is you know besides having good soil, and you know I kind of have a belief
if you build it, they will come, right? If you got good soil, you know, your plants will
be pretty healthy plants but this is not always the case. So I want you guys to be able to
test, test, and test. And determine you know. Even if you have the best soil, garden soil,
if the nutrients are not in your plants, something may not be exactly right, then I use a very
rudimentary instrument known as a Refractometer 0 to 32 Refractometer to check the brix, which
will check not only the sugars but also the total soft solids including some of the minerals
in there, which actually I have been check in some of the food on this island and I think
my, let’s see what was the highest one I had some Longans that are like 19 on the brix,
Oh and some Chicos and Potatoes I think were like 19 or 20. They’re amazing. But, I kind
of wondered they were grown under nutrient, you know, a rich ensured with proper testing
how high they could even get to be at their genetic potential, you know. Besides just
doing standard brix testing which I recommend all you guys to do because really that is
inexpensive. You get a one-time investment of a 40-50 dollars brix tester to test all
your stuff, to kind of keep track on how you’re doing. But how can you actually test you know
even a carrot or other fruits off your plants to determine, even though your soil’s rich,
why aren’t your fruits rich? Or do your fruits and vegetables have the nutrients Dr. Bogs? Dr. Bogs: Yeah. So we can actually test the
final end product like the fruit or like the carrot root or the beet root and for the nutrient
then you just sort of like what we did the plant tissue like the leaf tissue. And so
we can see what that final product is giving you, and then compare it to USDA. And we’ve
got some stuff coming back like 10 times the amount of certain nutrient. I even have one,
the sweet potato that has 70 times the amount of Iron, (Wow!) that a typical USDA sweet
potato had. It was just amazing. So you really can change the nutrients in the soil especially
I mean like micronutrients because so many farmers don’t pay attention to that all. So
when I do my comparison to USDA databases, a lot of times, the micronutrients are much
higher. And I kind of say overall I get about the double the nutrient density. But I mean
something are just hugely different. John: Wow! Yeah, I mean if you want to have
twice in nutrient density guaranteed, check out Dr. Bogs’ work and get some soil testing.
For me, I definitely would you know encourage you guys to do this. For those you guys, it’s
really important you know. Otherwise, if you don’t want to get testing, be kind of cheap
and save some money, do my approach, and you’ll get definitely better high quality food. But
it may not be quite the best. One of the things that I think Dr. Bogs may for sure on basically
not do herbal leaves or anything but it’s due to current testing out there in the world,
you know. She will test for 18 different minerals in the soil and like 10 or something minerals
in and when she does the analysis of the plants. But you know, I like to add 70 to 90 different
trace minerals and you know Dr. Bogs, how do we test the other unaccounted for 80 minerals
or 70 minerals that Science can’t really test easily or inexpensively at this time? Dr. Bogs: Right. Yes. There are tests out
there but they are very expensive and so using something like a Refractometer probably will
give you a general indication of the nutrient density overall. There are limitations to
the Refractometer use. But I had used it quite a bit even in the scientific work. And one
thing that’s really interesting and I don’t know if you’ve seen this in my book, but yeah,
there’s this whole thing about giving your brix level up and then also looking at blood
glucose in the human. And so, that in my PhD work in the university, I actually did some
of this work. And, I looked at apple orchards and compare cultivation between different
apple orchards, and the apples that were the most well taken cared of and have the most
nutrition in them, had the highest brix level. They called high brix that means high sugar
and that’s gonna mean more glucose spike with your blood sugar. But that’s not what happened.
Even though they tasted sweeter, they actually tested that they were higher brix had more
sugar, they have lower glycemic response. (Wow!) Yes. Amazing. Just amazing. You mean
that’s some of the charts that you’ll see in my book. And of course we need to do a
lot more research on that. But this is kind of the edge. This is the cutting edge of research. John: Well I mean imagine if we have high
quality food, I mean, if we have high quality food, everybody eat a healthy diet without
processed foods and junk foods and animal foods and in excess, you know, there wouldn’t
be a Type 2 Diabetes in my opinion. But even so, some people are affected and imagine if
they have high quality apples that didn’t affect their blood glucose is bad, you know.
We don’t need genetically engineering to solve this issues. We just need good soil to grow
the highest quality food. Some of the research that I’ve seen about actually this topic is
because there is some different polyphenols and some nutrients in the apples that actually
slows down the absorption of the sugars in the apples, you know. So it’s self-regulating
on its own, if they’re in there and they’re not gonna be in there if your soil is deficient.
Because now that the apple or the whatever fruit or vegetable can’t be at its full genetic
potential and be fully expressed with all the nutrients that God natured or whomever
you know wants us to have in our bodies that are not in there because we’ve abused the
plant so much. Dr. Bogs, now I know some of my viewers might want to get their soil tested
now, but I know some of them are pretty cheap as like I am what are some of the general
practice that you can recommend to people out there? Like 3 practice that some of they
could do, start doing today, to hopefully increase the quality of their food without
getting the soil to or out of balanced. ‘Cause I know you’re gonna say it’s really important
to test, but I want you to give my viewers some ways to do it without testing for those
you guys, that just absolutely can’t afford or don’t want to do it for whatever reason. Dr. Bogs: So, yeah John, what you’ve put out
there about using things like good quality compost, and rock dust and worm castings,
kelp, those kind of things I do recommend those regularly to my clients and those are
always, almost always good and almost never going to cause a problem. John: I mean that’s what I agree, and that’s
why I share these things with you guys because I’m not the scientist, but we do have one
on the show today. So, I mean you guys out there are just home growers like, and you’re
just growing for your own home use, but I know there’s also you guys out there might
be market growers, might be growing for you know, to market or even big farms, or big
farmers find in this video. And I want to encourage you guys, you know like you need
to differentiate your product. I went to school for marketing, that’s my degree and I don’t
have a degree in Nutrition or Horticulture or anything. I have a degree in Marketing,
so I try to like educate you about doing the best stuff and try to let you guys know about
how to grow the best. But I also believe that to really make a change in the society besides
everybody growing their own food, but people that do grow the food for us, because unfortunately,
as much as I would like everybody to take part in their own food, they eat by growing
some, everybody is not gonna do that. So I think that, farms definitely need to grow,
you know, something different and have little competitive advantage. And I think the best
competitive advantage personally is growing beyond organic. Because when somebody taste
something that tastes better, you have got to sell it, you know. I visited a nutrient
dense grower back in Minnesota, and he has Asparagus. And most people hate Asparagus,
right? He’s there giving free Asparagus samples to people walking by, and people pick up at
it, and “Wow! That’s the best Asparagus I’ve ever tasted” and I said that too. That’s the
best Asparagus I tasted and I bought couple bunches from him, even though I was only in
town a couple more days. I mean, and then you could charge a higher price because you
have higher quality of better tasting food and it’ll also yield more but also have more
nutrition. So Dr. Bogs, you want to comment on this point? Dr. Bogs: Absolutely! This is a huge new marketing
edge that people, especially farms, and market gardeners can capitalize on. And, I know there’s
people out there selling 3-10 times the price higher because its nutrition grown, you know.
It’s got the nutrients in there. You can use it as a marketing edge, and the flavor will
come through, and that’s why people but it too, you know. They realize, it taste better,
you know these chefs that want high-end stuff, they will pay that extra price. And we need
to get growing going all over. The farmer needs to make a good living so that they can
you know afford to farm, and afford the things they need to do for their soil. So that it
can be the best, and give the best nutrition to people. Then you need to get paid for that
and they can. If they have this marketing edge, and promote it as nutrition grown foods. John: Yeah, I mean, the other thing that’s
very important, I know some of you guys out there are market farmers and all those kind
of stuff and grow for market, and you’re making a living out of this, is all you think
is the dollar sign “What are these gonna cost me too much money, you know, and why should
I do this? And you know how much extra money if you’ve done research on this, is it gonna
cost the farmer implement some of these practices in which will grow higher food and what it
will make up for it, you know, and sell in for a higher price?” Dr. Bogs: Well, the thing is too, yes it does
cost money to test your soil. But you’re going to be putting in amendments in, and you better
put the right amendments in cause the amendments are gonna cause a lot more than any testing
or any consulting you’re gonna have done. The big price comes when you get to put all
those amendments in. So get the best test you can get done and then get your soil fixed,
and after the initial investment, and it is an investment in your soil. to get it where
its growing well, then you just have to tweak it after that. Just a little tweaks. Once
you got it balanced, and then it’ll just produce so much more produce, so much better quality
produce, you’re gonna so much less problems with insects and diseases and all of that,
and yes it does pay off. John: I mean, I totally agree. One of the
things I teach my home gardeners that are watching is you know, every time I buy something
that I put on my soil, the rock dust, the worm castings, you know, the compost teas,
you know the Zeolite, everything that I put in right. I’m literally putting money in the
bank. This is the bank of the plant of nutrition that I’m gonna be growing in the plant. The
more nutrients in a non-water soluble form, you know that I could put in. The more money
I have in the bank that it can draw from later, when you’re buying you know, synthetic fertilizers
that are water-soluble. Guess what? You water them in some of them gets absorbed and a lot
of it washed away. So you’re just, you know, you’re just flushing money down the toilet
when you’re doing water soluble fertilizers like some even gardening styles recommend,
that I definitely don’t recommend. So do you have any comments on this Dr. Bogs? Dr. Bogs: Oh some of this chemical type fertilizers
are very detrimental to the microbiology in the soil and also they do tend to lock up
in the soil. So there’s a quick release, but there’s also a quick lock up. And what we’re
looking for is a good long term functional soil. John: I mean, I agree. I think and on that
note, we want a nice functional soil. Now what do you want to go in and soil tested
and really make sure you got it dialed in? Or do you want to go a shocking approach I
mean, the main message of this video is to grow more nutrient dense food however you
can you know. If you’re adding compost and you think that’s gonna get it for you I mean,
I would disagree with you. But what I would say is try to use different source inputs
for your compost and don’t always use the same grass clippings. You know, get grass
clippings, get plants from here, plants from there, because those plants will have different
probably deficient, deficiently grown nutrients in there, and that’s why really dialed it
in, adding things like the rock dust, probably the best of all, but of course got to say
you should get tested, if you want to do the real, real, real best. And one of these days,
I will. So if you guys want to buy Dr. Jana Bogs’ book, it’s right here. You might want
to check her out at their website, beyondorganicconsulting.com, she does consult farmers, gardeners, and has
amazing book available in an e-book form, if you don’t want to have a paper copy. I
would recommend a paper copy, it’s really nice, you could really read it. It even talks
about like you know rabbit feedings studies, comparing them, you know, just by adding something
simple such as Calcium and grow nutrient dense, how much bigger the animals were that were
grown. So I mean, even if you are growing for feed or whatever, growing higher nutrient
quality produce will work every single time and every single instance. So do you have
any, final comments for my viewers today Dr. Bogs? Dr. Bogs: Well, I would encourage you if you
can all afford it to get your soil tested. And also, your plants tested. And this is
for your health, and your health is so important. It’s an investment in your health and your
life and your children’s lives. John: I mean I wanna say it; I almost lost
my life when I was younger. And when I was in the hospital my doctors told me I might
not make it alive, I didn’t want all the money in the world. All I simply wanted was my health.
And your health is your greatest wealth. And you know, I believe people should put their
money where their mouth is. And start investing in your health, which I mean, soil testing
which now I’m probably gonna have to do now cause I stay true to my words. You know to
dial in what I’m doing, to make it even better, I think I’m all for it and I’m probably gonna
have to do it so stay tuned for an upcoming episode where I get my soil tested by Dr.
Bogs. And you could see the results of my soil, and my shocking approach, but how I
could even dial it further. And you know get even better and more success for results. I really hoped you guys enjoyed this episode.
If you did, please give me a thumbs up. Also be sure to check my past episodes over a thousand
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51 Comments

  1. B Rayne Author

    John, how do you deal with pest? What pest do you see? This year I have a half acre garden on a plot that hasn't been worked in 10+ years and have been having problems with cucumber beetles, flea beetles, spider mites, squash bugs, and even a few hornworms. What would you do in a situation where you have limited funds and issues like mine in your garden? Thanks.

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  2. herbsthewerd1 Author

    I apologize for commenting without watching, but the title of the video made me cringe. How about; "Use science to grow better organic food." As it is now, it sounds like you have become another propaganda mouthpiece for the biotech industry …

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  3. SpencerDonahue Author

    Great video, John. Its important for most people to understand that labels like organic don't really mean what they've been led to believe. Have you ever read Steve Solomon's books? He is on the same page as Dr. Bogs in that he's all about trace elements, mineralization and microbe and fungal influences. Im a big science advocate and its great to see that you're talking with someone who shares that position.

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  4. th3400ded1 Author

    Tommyr
    There is nothing wrong with GMOs. It's NOT "poison". You have been eating them all your life and are eating them NOW. This GMO nonsense is way out of hand. 80% of what you buy at the grocery store is GMO. 
    And yes, veggies from your garden ARE 1000% better than what you get at the store because it's FAR FRESHER. You also do not need the rock dust and overpriced Ocean solutions crap. GOOD COMPOST is all you need. But if you want to throw your money away go a head! Keep buying into all this snake oil.

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  5. Balconygarden Author

    John do you think adding horsetail (an herb) that has some silica in it would help with adding silica to soil?  It is relatively inexpensive, I use it for other items and am a container gardener.

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  6. Liberalism is a Cult Author

    Does anyone know if John uses Kelp from the Pacific Ocean? I won't eat anything from the Pacific Ocean thanks to Fukushima.

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  7. Artistic Gardener Author

    Super Awesome!!!!! Super Video. Thank you John for spreading the word about the importance of biological gardening and soil testing. I love the fact that you're thinking about soil testing in your garden, John. As you know, my husband and I are firm believers in soil testing to obtain the highest level of high brix/nutrient dense food. With the right lab (one that focuses on nutrient density and microbial activity like Dr. Bogs), soil testing can help to catapult your garden to the next level. Thank you John for your generosity and for sharing such important information.

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  8. Truth Tube Author

    Thanks John, I've learnt a lifetime of info from your videos. If your ever in Sydney come visit and check out my garden you've inspired me to grow!

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  9. StunningDesigns Author

    How many times can a person say test in one video? She could have spoken about the health impact of America about not eating nutrient dense foods. She should have shown us how to interpret our own results of a test. Oh well. Thank you anyway!

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  10. NeuroWrangler Author

    Great video. I hope you will get testing. Measuring would show that your methods are doing everything you want. It's clear from your other videos that your garden is growing fantastically.

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  11. Josh Hofkes Author

    Is anyone following the teachings of Dr. Elaine Ingram? Her approach to growing crops/food is quite different than those taught by most others including John. I encourage everyone to read her scientific papers and watch her lectures on YouTube. She focuses primarily on the soil food web. According to her there is no need to add any soil amendments, including rock dust, and that most all soil in the world contains sufficient quantities of all nutrients any plant needs to grow.

    She also states that the problem is not with the quantities of nutrients or minerals in the soil but rather the lack of appropriate micro organisms needed to convert these substances into plant available forms. She states that through the use of actively aerated composite teas, created with locally sourced composite, one can reintroduce the beneficial organisms including fungi, bacteria, nematodes, etc to correct all soil issues.

    Thoughts?

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  12. Audra Russell Author

    @Learn Organic Gardening at GrowingYourGreens great info! Just FYI…you are missing the 'd' in the URL you posted at the beginning of the video.

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  13. Mike Kimmerling Author

    John, it would have been great if Dr.Bogs had done a soil test on your garden (for free) so we would know how well your gut feeling is working for your garden soil. I can get my soil tested at Auburn University for $7.00 per sample compared to Dr. Bogs $100.00 per sample.

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  14. sheralyn c Author

    I used to do just gardener's intuition for the soil.  This year I had my soil tested by the High Brix people and applied minerals specially formulated for my condition…I can't believe my garden.  Spinach leaves bigger than my hand 🙂   I think what soil testing can help with is having the right ratio of minerals to provide the weak electrostatic force that keeps the minerals in the root zone.  Too much of one mineral or the other will contribute to soil compaction and the minerals sinking below the root zone, which means you're wasting money if the plants can't access the minerals you paid for.

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  15. Shakaama Author

    You shouldn't have your guest sitting there for a 3 minute intro. It would be less awkward to do your intro and have the guest approach after saying their name. I felt so awkward for her.

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  16. Dustin Brookens Author

    Tired of your tomatoes or Cucumbers falling off their vines / stems? Supplement Silica and watch them stems BEAR WEIGHT!

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